When it becomes my turn to bank she reduces her bet to $20 (she was betting greens mostly). She plays the (horrible 7% edge) bonus bet too. She tells me she will "play for a push" and I say okay. I get three pair, and play it the only way possible: one pair up top, two pair in the back. I win all the hands.
All of a sudden she starts demanding her bet back from me. I say I played the hand the only way I could have. She says that I should pay her regardless of whether I win or lose. I decline to pay her and fortunately she does not make a scene but mutters to the dealer and pit boss some spurious things and play continues.
Now, what would you understand "playing for a push" to mean? As I understood it, if I had a hand that could be played more than one way, then I would set the hand the way that would most likely result in a push. I did _not_ understand it to mean that I would pay her if she lost and she would pay me if she won. That's why I bank -- I put my money at risk to have the chance at winning other people's money.
Has anybody ever encountered this practice before? The other players seemed to agree with her. The pit boss and dealer (wisely) remained silent.
In the case with three pairs, if you played the highest pair in front, that would be playing for a push, and obvioulsy the right thing to do.
You had three pair. Sure, the logical / best play is to put your highest pair on top.
But, in my ignorant concept of 'play to push', you would keep your two best pairs together, and then SPLIT the lowest pair, putting two lousy singles on top. That way, you're probably not going to win, but you'll probably not lose either.
Personally, I would have told her to pound salt!
FYI: A pit boss once told me that 'House way' is NOT to win the most, but to lose the least. Very subtle difference.
I don't bank, but never sit out when another player banks. After all, I'm there to win. If some sucker wants to play banker, I'll be just as happy to take his money as the house's. If I didn't think I was going to win, I wouldn't be in the casino. (I know I'm not winning every hand, but you get my point.)Quote: jeremykay
(PS, I HATE when other players sit out while I'm banking... they'd rather give their money to the house than to me?)
The subtext of the whole incident is that this woman just wanted to play the bonus without risking anything else. I was loathe to say this in the original post, but she is a total degenerate who bets huge on the bonus and spreads to two spots with bets of $25-$100s. Needless to say she is a valued customer of this particular casino...
I don't bank, but never sit out when another player banks. After all, I'm there to win. If some sucker wants to play banker, I'll be just as happy to take his money as the house's.
Heh. I'll be glad to be that sucker!
I think you should have said nothing to the player at all. Unless some thing such as "Good Luck" or "would you like to come up to my suite for the night". Well, okay... "Good Luck". Thats about it.
Its like chatting with someone at an auction. Don't do it. If you are banking, you say nothing not pertinent to the game and entertain no discussions not pertinent to the game. As you said, you are putting YOUR money at risk. Don't let anyone else increase that risk.
At blackjack, where you are never the dealer and never the banker, sure chatter away if you've a mind to, but its best to just keep your eyes on the cards that are being dealt.
In PGP the team vs house mentality is fairly strong and often I see players banking to 'mess up' a dealer's streak; lowering the house edge rarely factors into their decision. In fact the old timers keep bugging me with stories about how 'once there was this idiot who didn't pull back his bet even though I was banking', followed by the obligatory heroic wicked beat hands that sent them home crying. Does it make math sense, no but its always good to get a feel for the local culture.